Our Communism/Capitalism Debate

[Cuckoo]

Me and Daletski had this conversation recently about the nature of Communism, modern America and the Zeitgeist Documentary.

[CF|Underboss] Cuckoo: Cake is Happiness.
Рдй. M. Daletski |1st GMMRD|: happiness is mandatory
Рдй. M. Daletski |1st GMMRD|: i agree!
Рдй. M. Daletski |1st GMMRD|: if you arent happy... your basicly will die
[CF|Underboss] Cuckoo: Well, not quite like that.
Рдй. M. Daletski |1st GMMRD|: not dierectly
Рдй. M. Daletski |1st GMMRD|: but in the long run
Рдй. M. Daletski |1st GMMRD|: ye gotta stay happy or else you think to much and then you find out how shitty the world are :/
[CF|Underboss] Cuckoo: Uh
[CF|Underboss] Cuckoo: That's pessimistic.
Рдй. M. Daletski |1st GMMRD|: but i am looking forward on that
Рдй. M. Daletski |1st GMMRD|: since when the world goes to hell
Рдй. M. Daletski |1st GMMRD|: communism will prevail
[CF|Underboss] Cuckoo: What makes you think that?
Рдй. M. Daletski |1st GMMRD|: i am a communist.... i believe in it
Рдй. M. Daletski |1st GMMRD|: Karl marx also said so
[CF|Underboss] Cuckoo: |: |
[CF|Underboss] Cuckoo: Good luck with that.
Рдй. M. Daletski |1st GMMRD|: "the capatalist era will make its own downfall and our of it communism will come"
[CF|Underboss] Cuckoo: It's less capitalist than democratic socialist. Besides, what's stopping him being wrong.
Рдй. M. Daletski |1st GMMRD|: i dunno
Рдй. M. Daletski |1st GMMRD|: but i am a communist i believe in it ^^
[CF|Underboss] Cuckoo: and I am British, so i'm either too polite to disagree or don't much care.
Рдй. M. Daletski |1st GMMRD|: you are british
[CF|Underboss] Cuckoo: Yes.
Рдй. M. Daletski |1st GMMRD|: your a fekking librealist/conservetiv
Рдй. M. Daletski |1st GMMRD|: ...
[CF|Underboss] Cuckoo: I'm a labor supporter.
Рдй. M. Daletski |1st GMMRD|: .....
Рдй. M. Daletski |1st GMMRD|: libreal bastard ! XD
[CF|Underboss] Cuckoo: Labor.
Рдй. M. Daletski |1st GMMRD|: ye they are librealist last time i checked
[CF|Underboss] Cuckoo: There are three main parties:
[CF|Underboss] Cuckoo: Liberal Democrats
[CF|Underboss] Cuckoo: Conservatives
[CF|Underboss] Cuckoo: Labor
Рдй. M. Daletski |1st GMMRD|: hmmm
Рдй. M. Daletski |1st GMMRD|: but they are all capatalist
[CF|Underboss] Cuckoo: Liberal Democrats have merged with Conservatives.
[CF|Underboss] Cuckoo: Yeah, well, there is a communist group in Britain. They're laughed at almost as much as the Anarchy party.
Рдй. M. Daletski |1st GMMRD|: you got a anarchy party
Рдй. M. Daletski |1st GMMRD|: ARE YOU CRAZY
[CF|Underboss] Cuckoo: Don't worry, nobody cares about them.
Рдй. M. Daletski |1st GMMRD|: ordung muzt sein !
[CF|Underboss] Cuckoo: wut
Рдй. M. Daletski |1st GMMRD|: ,,
Рдй. M. Daletski |1st GMMRD|: nazi qoute means "order must happen"
[CF|Underboss] Cuckoo: Anarchism means "Without Leaders" not "Without Order".
Рдй. M. Daletski |1st GMMRD|: and people think communism is bad :/
Рдй. M. Daletski |1st GMMRD|: communism is beatyfull
[CF|Underboss] Cuckoo: Yeah, nothing like the rich leaders squandering the people's resources on armies and champaign.
Рдй. M. Daletski |1st GMMRD|: thats not communism
[CF|Underboss] Cuckoo: That's not ideal communism.
[CF|Underboss] Cuckoo: That's practical communism.
Рдй. M. Daletski |1st GMMRD|: there havent been one singel communist state ... yet
Рдй. M. Daletski |1st GMMRD|: no
Рдй. M. Daletski |1st GMMRD|: thats fake communism
Рдй. M. Daletski |1st GMMRD|: thats feadulism->communism
[CF|Underboss] Cuckoo: It's the unfortunate side effect of trying to achieve a communist state.
Рдй. M. Daletski |1st GMMRD|: the real communism is feadulism->capatalism->communismt
Рдй. M. Daletski |1st GMMRD|: dude thats the price for skipping a link in the chain
[CF|Underboss] Cuckoo: Why do you hate capitalism? All it means is that you earn mroe for harder work, rather than there being no additional benefit for a harder occupation.
Рдй. M. Daletski |1st GMMRD|: im not hating capatalism
Рдй. M. Daletski |1st GMMRD|: i think its selfish and it dont work in practice
[CF|Underboss] Cuckoo: Like communism?
Рдй. M. Daletski |1st GMMRD|: tell me a state that is or were real communist !?
[CF|Underboss] Cuckoo: Russia, China.
Рдй. M. Daletski |1st GMMRD|: russian wasnt a real communist state
Рдй. M. Daletski |1st GMMRD|: china is not near it
[CF|Underboss] Cuckoo: Originally, both were communist states- then it degraded.
Рдй. M. Daletski |1st GMMRD|: no
Рдй. M. Daletski |1st GMMRD|: communism comes after capatalism
Рдй. M. Daletski |1st GMMRD|: russia and china skipped the capatalism part
[CF|Underboss] Cuckoo: You're focussing on origin, rather than practise. Wherever they came from, they persued a communist state- which eventually devolved into a totalitarian way of life.
Рдй. M. Daletski |1st GMMRD|: yup
Рдй. M. Daletski |1st GMMRD|: and thats not communism
Рдй. M. Daletski |1st GMMRD|: ^^
[CF|Underboss] Cuckoo: They had communism. Communism lead to the totalitarianism.
Рдй. M. Daletski |1st GMMRD|: that time
Рдй. M. Daletski |1st GMMRD|: but thats because of greed
[CF|Underboss] Cuckoo: Those two times.
[CF|Underboss] Cuckoo: Greed is human nature- it will keep happening.
Рдй. M. Daletski |1st GMMRD|: if you build a system that didnt do so
[CF|Underboss] Cuckoo: Have you an example of a successful communist state?
Рдй. M. Daletski |1st GMMRD|: no
Рдй. M. Daletski |1st GMMRD|: ...
[CF|Underboss] Cuckoo: Yeah.
[CF|Underboss] Cuckoo: God knows it's been tried.
Рдй. M. Daletski |1st GMMRD|: tell me a capatalist working state dude xD
[CF|Underboss] Cuckoo: America, Britain. By your standard of "capitalism".
Рдй. M. Daletski |1st GMMRD|: they arent working
[CF|Underboss] Cuckoo: Oh ho?
Рдй. M. Daletski |1st GMMRD|: they are going down
[CF|Underboss] Cuckoo: Really?
Рдй. M. Daletski |1st GMMRD|: yup
Рдй. M. Daletski |1st GMMRD|: like america who is owned by a bank
[CF|Underboss] Cuckoo: We have an economic downturn, due to the greed of Bankers. Similar occasions have occured, and we persevered.
Рдй. M. Daletski |1st GMMRD|: really really succesfull
[CF|Underboss] Cuckoo: America isn't owned by a bank, dude.
Рдй. M. Daletski |1st GMMRD|: xD
Рдй. M. Daletski |1st GMMRD|: it is
[CF|Underboss] Cuckoo: Well?
[CF|Underboss] Cuckoo: Explain your marxist logic for me?
Рдй. M. Daletski |1st GMMRD|: 'bout what !?
[CF|Underboss] Cuckoo: How is America owned by a bank?
Рдй. M. Daletski |1st GMMRD|: arghh -.-
Рдй. M. Daletski |1st GMMRD|: dont you know !?
[CF|Underboss] Cuckoo: We don't have communist propaganda. We are unfortunately uneducated on such subjects.
Рдй. M. Daletski |1st GMMRD|: dude it isnt propoganda just a simpel fact
[CF|Underboss] Cuckoo: Then why aren't you explaining it?
Рдй. M. Daletski |1st GMMRD|: the private bank named "the national bank of america"
Рдй. M. Daletski |1st GMMRD|: made a law with the government that the gold reserve and that the government should buy money from it and no others and that it was the central bank but still owned by private persons
Рдй. M. Daletski |1st GMMRD|: and it gives the government money with uhmmm whats it called
[CF|Underboss] Cuckoo: The mint?
Рдй. M. Daletski |1st GMMRD|: profit
[CF|Underboss] Cuckoo: Yes. Capitalism generates profit for business.
Рдй. M. Daletski |1st GMMRD|: and then to repay the profit they need to borrow more money
Рдй. M. Daletski |1st GMMRD|: and that leads to the bank ordering usa to go into war
[CF|Underboss] Cuckoo: Woah woah.
[CF|Underboss] Cuckoo: Stop right there.
Рдй. M. Daletski |1st GMMRD|: every war since ww1 been planned
Рдй. M. Daletski |1st GMMRD|: ....
[CF|Underboss] Cuckoo: Ok, now you're just going into conspiracy theories.
Рдй. M. Daletski |1st GMMRD|: why!?
Рдй. M. Daletski |1st GMMRD|: listen
[CF|Underboss] Cuckoo: Banks don't tell people to go to war.
Рдй. M. Daletski |1st GMMRD|: it is conspiracy that hte bank didnt tell to go to war
Рдй. M. Daletski |1st GMMRD|: but rest is right
Рдй. M. Daletski |1st GMMRD|: every reason to go to war since ww1 (including) has been fake
Рдй. M. Daletski |1st GMMRD|: and under ww2 the banks gave nazi germany 80 % of their oil... but you dont talk about that
[CF|Underboss] Cuckoo: Are you done?
[CF|Underboss] Cuckoo: Ok, where do you get your facts then?
Рдй. M. Daletski |1st GMMRD|: xD
Рдй. M. Daletski |1st GMMRD|: Zeitgeist
[CF|Underboss] Cuckoo: Bless you.
[CF|Underboss] Cuckoo: No, seriously, what is Zeitgeist?
Рдй. M. Daletski |1st GMMRD|: wich is 100 true
Рдй. M. Daletski |1st GMMRD|: a documentary
[CF|Underboss] Cuckoo: What, on television, or...?
Рдй. M. Daletski |1st GMMRD|: internet
Рдй. M. Daletski |1st GMMRD|: it is a award winning film
Рдй. M. Daletski |1st GMMRD|: tells like anything else to open your eyes ...
[CF|Underboss] Cuckoo facepalms.
[CF|Underboss] Cuckoo: You're basing your political ideals on a movie?
Рдй. M. Daletski |1st GMMRD|: xD
Рдй. M. Daletski |1st GMMRD|: i use it a argument
[CF|Underboss] Cuckoo: Hold on, trying to find Zeitgeist on the internet...
Рдй. M. Daletski |1st GMMRD|: why 1?
Рдй. M. Daletski |1st GMMRD|: xD ?
[CF|Underboss] Cuckoo: Zeitgeist: the Movie is a 2007 documentary film by Peter Joseph examining possible historical and modern conspiracies surrounding Christianity, the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks and the Federal Reserve bank. It was officially released online on June 18, 2007 on zeitgeistmovie.com.
[CF|Underboss] Cuckoo: Is this the right one?
Рдй. M. Daletski |1st GMMRD|: thats not right info on it
[CF|Underboss] Cuckoo: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zeitgeist,_the_Movie
Рдй. M. Daletski |1st GMMRD|: the first part is possibel
Рдй. M. Daletski |1st GMMRD|: the other one is qualifed quesses
Рдй. M. Daletski |1st GMMRD|: yes that one
[CF|Underboss] Cuckoo: Alright, let me read through this.
Рдй. M. Daletski |1st GMMRD|: but first let me make something clear
Рдй. M. Daletski |1st GMMRD|: this is a friendly discusiung and we dotn want us to be enemies because of it
[CF|Underboss] Cuckoo: Of course. I enjoy debating religion, government and morality, but I don't want to antagonise anyone.
Рдй. M. Daletski |1st GMMRD|: good boy
Рдй. M. Daletski |1st GMMRD|: hmmm
Рдй. M. Daletski |1st GMMRD|: is gamre online !?
[CF|Underboss] Cuckoo: Let me see...
[CF|Underboss] Cuckoo: Yeah.
[CF|Underboss] Cuckoo: He's in TF2.
Рдй. M. Daletski |1st GMMRD|: hmmm
Рдй. M. Daletski |1st GMMRD|: i should add him
[CF|Underboss] Cuckoo: Alright. So part one questions religion, suggesting that all religion are synonymously used to control the thoughts and actions of the general population. Am I missing anything on that part?
Рдй. M. Daletski |1st GMMRD|: one thing
Рдй. M. Daletski |1st GMMRD|: that christinaity is a mix of many old religions ^^
[CF|Underboss] Cuckoo: Alright, I get you.
[CF|Underboss] Cuckoo: I'm Athiest, so i'm not going to denounce or appraise this section- though I doubt religion is as coordinated toward control as it suggests.
[CF|Underboss] Cuckoo: Brb, getting food.
[CF|Underboss] Cuckoo: Back
Рдй. M. Daletski |1st GMMRD|: 2 sec going down with some trash and my laundry
Рдй. M. Daletski |1st GMMRD|: will be back asap
[CF|Underboss] Cuckoo: This would be easier if I had the documentary, rather than the literary summary. I'll keep going, anyway.
Рдй. M. Daletski |1st GMMRD|: lyou can watch it on their site
Рдй. M. Daletski |1st GMMRD|: zeitgeist . com
[CF|Underboss] Cuckoo: Alright, that's good. I'll check that in a while.
Рдй. M. Daletski |1st GMMRD|: havent seen the proluge then
Рдй. M. Daletski |1st GMMRD|: tho*
[CF|Underboss] Cuckoo: Alright, part two is difficult for me to talk about yet, because this article doesn't provide any of the evidence that they would have used. As far as i can tell, it's another 911 conspiracy theory suggesting the American Government caused the attack to provoke the Flag Pole effect.
[CF|Underboss] Cuckoo: Anything else?
Рдй. M. Daletski |1st GMMRD|: they got evidences that holds in it
Рдй. M. Daletski |1st GMMRD|: -.-
Рдй. M. Daletski |1st GMMRD|: i would call it near possibel explanation
Рдй. M. Daletski |1st GMMRD|: not conspiracy
[CF|Underboss] Cuckoo: Alright, well i'll be able to see that later then.
[CF|Underboss] Cuckoo: Part three...
Рдй. M. Daletski |1st GMMRD|: thats 'bout the bank ^^
[CF|Underboss] Cuckoo: So I see...
Рдй. M. Daletski |1st GMMRD|: www.zeitgeistmovie.com/
Рдй. M. Daletski |1st GMMRD|: here is the site
[CF|Underboss] Cuckoo: Alright, thanks...
Рдй. M. Daletski |1st GMMRD|: gonna see the second movie now ^^
[CF|Underboss] Cuckoo: Good luck with that...
Рдй. M. Daletski |1st GMMRD|: it is a little wierd
Рдй. M. Daletski |1st GMMRD|: but good
Рдй. M. Daletski |1st GMMRD|: this movie made me "wake up" ^^
[CF|Underboss] Cuckoo: There's a difference between waking up and opening your eyes. Continuing...
Рдй. M. Daletski |1st GMMRD|: hehe
Рдй. M. Daletski |1st GMMRD|: but i did both
[CF|Underboss] Cuckoo: Alright. I'm dissapointed here, for as far as I can tell it's conjecture. I am to understand that the 'international bankers' sunk ships, attacked Pearl Harbor and assassinated individuals to foster wars for personal gain. These "international bankers" forced the US to become embroiled in these wars, and went on to cause the great depression in order to steal money away from the populace. Then we have some conjecture about attempts to merge into a One World Government, whereby we can all have tracking chips put into us like something out of a post apocalyptic sci-fi film. Correct?
Рдй. M. Daletski |1st GMMRD|: the last sci fi thingy isnt that far away
[CF|Underboss] Cuckoo: Yes, yes, heard that one before.
[CF|Underboss] Cuckoo: It's the same with flying cars, and virtual realitys.
Рдй. M. Daletski |1st GMMRD|: i aint that scared of it and so one
Рдй. M. Daletski |1st GMMRD|: it is a possiblity and it might become true but i hope someone will fight it ^^
[CF|Underboss] Cuckoo: It's nice to see you aren't convinced this is happening and preparing for it appropriately. There are Americans who do that.
[CF|Underboss] Cuckoo: But am I correct in my digestion of the article?
Рдй. M. Daletski |1st GMMRD|: yes
[CF|Underboss] Cuckoo: Alright. Can I ask just how seriously you take the topics presented in this documentary?
Рдй. M. Daletski |1st GMMRD|: most of em i take it as they are a qualifed reality
[CF|Underboss] Cuckoo: The 911 one included? And the control-freak relegion one?
Рдй. M. Daletski |1st GMMRD|: yup
Рдй. M. Daletski |1st GMMRD|: its the most trustworthy version i have ever seen so ye
[CF|Underboss] Cuckoo: The most trustworthy version you're ever seen of what?
[CF|Underboss] Cuckoo: Conspiracy theories?
Рдй. M. Daletski |1st GMMRD|: argghh
Рдй. M. Daletski |1st GMMRD|: dang hard to describe in english
[CF|Underboss] Cuckoo: Take your time.
Рдй. M. Daletski |1st GMMRD|: nah
Рдй. M. Daletski |1st GMMRD|: cba
[CF|Underboss] Cuckoo: huh?
Рдй. M. Daletski |1st GMMRD|: shall i !?
[CF|Underboss] Cuckoo: What is CBA?
Рдй. M. Daletski |1st GMMRD|: Cant be Arsed
[CF|Underboss] Cuckoo: Alright. I just thought you took your opinions more seriously.
Рдй. M. Daletski |1st GMMRD|: i do
Рдй. M. Daletski |1st GMMRD|: just...
Рдй. M. Daletski |1st GMMRD|: hard to explain

[Revulotionist DaleTski]

xD

[Godfather Lorenzo]

Cuckoo, you do now Daletski is Danish an dlearned most of his english through playng MW2?

[Cuckoo]

I know he is Danish. The second one is both surprising and, likely, exaggerated.

[Revulotionist DaleTski]

NO... i dont own mw2... faggot ..... i learned it from wow... and then later css and zm

[Cuckoo]

Some of my friends play WoW. They're always trying to convert me.

[Godfather Lorenzo]

Lol

[Revulotionist DaleTski]

APB FTW

[Cuckoo]

Please don't bump failing topics with random statements. Bump them with statements of design and wisdom.

[Revulotionist DaleTski]

Uhmmm , lenin died of syphelis